diff --git a/api/resolvers/rewards.js b/api/resolvers/rewards.js
index 3dcfd2c2..a65ebc43 100644
--- a/api/resolvers/rewards.js
+++ b/api/resolvers/rewards.js
@@ -157,7 +157,7 @@ export default {
       const [{ to, from }] = await models.$queryRaw`
         SELECT date_trunc('day',  (now() AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago')) AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago' as from,
                (date_trunc('day',  (now() AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago')) AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago') + interval '1 day - 1 second' as to`
-      return await topUsers(parent, { when: 'custom', to: new Date(to).getTime().toString(), from: new Date(from).getTime().toString(), limit: 100 }, { models, ...context })
+      return await topUsers(parent, { when: 'custom', to: new Date(to).getTime().toString(), from: new Date(from).getTime().toString(), limit: 500 }, { models, ...context })
     },
     total: async (parent, args, { models }) => {
       if (!parent.total) {
diff --git a/api/resolvers/user.js b/api/resolvers/user.js
index e836b22b..03f6a8d1 100644
--- a/api/resolvers/user.js
+++ b/api/resolvers/user.js
@@ -66,11 +66,12 @@ export async function topUsers (parent, { cursor, when, by, from, to, limit = LI
     case 'comments': column = 'ncomments'; break
     case 'referrals': column = 'referrals'; break
     case 'stacking': column = 'stacked'; break
+    case 'value':
     default: column = 'proportion'; break
   }
 
   const users = (await models.$queryRawUnsafe(`
-    SELECT *
+    SELECT * ${column === 'proportion' ? ', proportion' : ''}
     FROM
       (SELECT users.*,
         COALESCE(floor(sum(msats_spent)/1000), 0) as spent,
diff --git a/api/typeDefs/user.js b/api/typeDefs/user.js
index 8b100170..e61cb4b7 100644
--- a/api/typeDefs/user.js
+++ b/api/typeDefs/user.js
@@ -59,6 +59,11 @@ export default gql`
     photoId: Int
     since: Int
 
+    """
+    this is only returned when we sort stackers by value
+    """
+    proportion: Float
+
     optional: UserOptional!
     privates: UserPrivates
 
diff --git a/components/user-list.js b/components/user-list.js
index 40f77286..90be34f8 100644
--- a/components/user-list.js
+++ b/components/user-list.js
@@ -107,13 +107,13 @@ export function User ({ user, rank, statComps, className = 'mb-2', Embellish, ny
           <div className={styles.other}>
             {statComps.map((Comp, i) => <Comp key={i} user={user} />)}
           </div>}
-        {Embellish && <Embellish rank={rank} />}
+        {Embellish && <Embellish rank={rank} user={user} />}
       </UserBase>
     </>
   )
 }
 
-function UserHidden ({ rank, Embellish }) {
+function UserHidden ({ rank, user, Embellish }) {
   return (
     <>
       {rank
@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ function UserHidden ({ rank, Embellish }) {
           <div className={`${styles.title} text-muted d-inline-flex align-items-center`}>
             stacker is in hiding
           </div>
-          {Embellish && <Embellish rank={rank} />}
+          {Embellish && <Embellish rank={rank} user={user} />}
         </div>
       </div>
     </>
@@ -148,7 +148,7 @@ export function ListUsers ({ users, rank, statComps = DEFAULT_STAT_COMPONENTS, E
       {users.map((user, i) => (
         user
           ? <User key={user.id} user={user} rank={rank && i + 1} statComps={statComps} Embellish={Embellish} nymActionDropdown={nymActionDropdown} />
-          : <UserHidden key={i} rank={rank && i + 1} Embellish={Embellish} />
+          : <UserHidden key={i} rank={rank && i + 1} user={user} Embellish={Embellish} />
       ))}
     </div>
   )
diff --git a/docker-compose.yml b/docker-compose.yml
index ca015448..40406609 100644
--- a/docker-compose.yml
+++ b/docker-compose.yml
@@ -680,7 +680,6 @@ services:
       - bitcoin
       - sn_lnd
       - lnd
-      - cln
     restart: unless-stopped
     command: daemon --docker -f label=com.docker.compose.project=${COMPOSE_PROJECT_NAME}
     volumes:
diff --git a/fragments/users.js b/fragments/users.js
index da207861..b96ec932 100644
--- a/fragments/users.js
+++ b/fragments/users.js
@@ -254,7 +254,7 @@ export const TOP_USERS = gql`
         photoId
         ncomments(when: $when, from: $from, to: $to)
         nposts(when: $when, from: $from, to: $to)
-
+        proportion
         optional {
           stacked(when: $when, from: $from, to: $to)
           spent(when: $when, from: $from, to: $to)
diff --git a/pages/rewards/index.js b/pages/rewards/index.js
index 164710f4..a81d8843 100644
--- a/pages/rewards/index.js
+++ b/pages/rewards/index.js
@@ -16,7 +16,6 @@ import { useToast } from '@/components/toast'
 import { useLightning } from '@/components/lightning'
 import { ListUsers } from '@/components/user-list'
 import { Col, Row } from 'react-bootstrap'
-import { proportions } from '@/lib/madness'
 import { useData } from '@/components/use-data'
 import { GrowthPieChartSkeleton } from '@/components/charts-skeletons'
 import { useMemo } from 'react'
@@ -50,6 +49,7 @@ ${ITEM_FULL_FIELDS}
         photoId
         ncomments
         nposts
+        proportion
 
         optional {
           streak
@@ -117,9 +117,10 @@ export default function Rewards ({ ssrData }) {
 
   if (!dat) return <PageLoading />
 
-  function EstimatedReward ({ rank }) {
-    const referrerReward = Math.floor(total * proportions[rank - 1] * 0.2)
-    const reward = Math.floor(total * proportions[rank - 1]) - referrerReward
+  function EstimatedReward ({ rank, user }) {
+    if (!user) return null
+    const referrerReward = Math.max(Math.floor(total * user.proportion * 0.2), 0)
+    const reward = Math.max(Math.floor(total * user.proportion) - referrerReward, 0)
 
     return (
       <div className='text-muted fst-italic'>
diff --git a/prisma/migrations/20241217163642_user_values_improve/migration.sql b/prisma/migrations/20241217163642_user_values_improve/migration.sql
new file mode 100644
index 00000000..47f21be3
--- /dev/null
+++ b/prisma/migrations/20241217163642_user_values_improve/migration.sql
@@ -0,0 +1,93 @@
+CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION user_values(
+    min TIMESTAMP(3), max TIMESTAMP(3), ival INTERVAL, date_part TEXT,
+    percentile_cutoff INTEGER DEFAULT 50,
+    each_upvote_portion FLOAT DEFAULT 4.0,
+    each_item_portion FLOAT DEFAULT 4.0,
+    handicap_ids INTEGER[] DEFAULT '{616, 6030, 4502, 27}',
+    handicap_zap_mult FLOAT DEFAULT 0.3)
+RETURNS TABLE (
+    t TIMESTAMP(3), id INTEGER, proportion FLOAT
+)
+LANGUAGE plpgsql
+AS $$
+DECLARE
+    min_utc TIMESTAMP(3) := timezone('utc', min AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago');
+BEGIN
+    RETURN QUERY
+    SELECT period.t, u."userId", u.total_proportion
+    FROM generate_series(min, max, ival) period(t),
+    LATERAL
+        (WITH item_ratios AS (
+            SELECT *,
+                CASE WHEN "parentId" IS NULL THEN 'POST' ELSE 'COMMENT' END as type,
+                CASE WHEN "weightedVotes" > 0 THEN "weightedVotes"/(sum("weightedVotes") OVER (PARTITION BY "parentId" IS NULL)) ELSE 0 END AS ratio
+            FROM (
+                SELECT *,
+                    NTILE(100)  OVER (PARTITION BY "parentId" IS NULL ORDER BY ("weightedVotes"-"weightedDownVotes") desc) AS percentile,
+                    ROW_NUMBER()  OVER (PARTITION BY "parentId" IS NULL ORDER BY ("weightedVotes"-"weightedDownVotes") desc) AS rank
+                FROM
+                    "Item"
+                WHERE date_trunc(date_part, created_at AT TIME ZONE 'UTC' AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago') = period.t
+                AND "weightedVotes" > 0
+                AND "deletedAt" IS NULL
+                AND NOT bio
+                AND ("invoiceActionState" IS NULL OR "invoiceActionState" = 'PAID')
+            ) x
+            WHERE x.percentile <= percentile_cutoff
+        ),
+        -- get top upvoters of top posts and comments
+        upvoter_islands AS (
+            SELECT "ItemAct"."userId", item_ratios.id, item_ratios.ratio, item_ratios."parentId",
+                "ItemAct".msats as tipped, "ItemAct".created_at as acted_at,
+                ROW_NUMBER() OVER (partition by item_ratios.id order by "ItemAct".created_at asc)
+                - ROW_NUMBER() OVER (partition by item_ratios.id, "ItemAct"."userId" order by "ItemAct".created_at asc) AS island
+            FROM item_ratios
+            JOIN "ItemAct" on "ItemAct"."itemId" = item_ratios.id
+            WHERE act = 'TIP'
+            AND date_trunc(date_part, "ItemAct".created_at AT TIME ZONE 'UTC' AT TIME ZONE 'America/Chicago') = period.t
+            AND ("ItemAct"."invoiceActionState" IS NULL OR "ItemAct"."invoiceActionState" = 'PAID')
+        ),
+        -- isolate contiguous upzaps from the same user on the same item so that when we take the log
+        -- of the upzaps it accounts for successive zaps and does not disproportionately reward them
+        -- quad root of the total tipped
+        upvoters AS (
+            SELECT "userId", upvoter_islands.id, ratio, "parentId", GREATEST(power(sum(tipped) / 1000, 0.25), 0) as tipped, min(acted_at) as acted_at
+            FROM upvoter_islands
+            GROUP BY "userId", upvoter_islands.id, ratio, "parentId", island
+        ),
+        -- the relative contribution of each upvoter to the post/comment
+        -- early component: 1/ln(early_rank + e - 1)
+        -- tipped component: how much they tipped relative to the total tipped for the item
+        -- multiplied by the relative rank of the item to the total items
+        -- multiplied by the trust of the user
+        upvoter_ratios AS (
+            SELECT "userId", sum((early_multiplier+tipped_ratio)*ratio*CASE WHEN users.id = ANY (handicap_ids) THEN handicap_zap_mult ELSE users.trust+0.1 END) as upvoter_ratio,
+                "parentId" IS NULL as "isPost", CASE WHEN "parentId" IS NULL THEN 'TIP_POST' ELSE 'TIP_COMMENT' END as type
+            FROM (
+                SELECT *,
+                    1.0/LN(ROW_NUMBER() OVER (partition by upvoters.id order by acted_at asc) + EXP(1.0) - 1) AS early_multiplier,
+                    tipped::float/(sum(tipped) OVER (partition by upvoters.id)) tipped_ratio
+                FROM upvoters
+                WHERE tipped > 2.1
+            ) u
+            JOIN users on "userId" = users.id
+            GROUP BY "userId", "parentId" IS NULL
+        ),
+        proportions AS (
+            SELECT "userId", NULL as id, type, ROW_NUMBER() OVER (PARTITION BY "isPost" ORDER BY upvoter_ratio DESC) as rank,
+                upvoter_ratio/(sum(upvoter_ratio) OVER (PARTITION BY "isPost"))/each_upvote_portion as proportion
+            FROM upvoter_ratios
+            WHERE upvoter_ratio > 0
+            UNION ALL
+            SELECT "userId", item_ratios.id, type, rank, ratio/each_item_portion as proportion
+            FROM item_ratios
+        )
+        SELECT "userId", sum(proportions.proportion) AS total_proportion
+        FROM proportions
+        GROUP BY "userId"
+        HAVING sum(proportions.proportion) > 0.000001) u;
+END;
+$$;
+
+REFRESH MATERIALIZED VIEW CONCURRENTLY user_values_today;
+REFRESH MATERIALIZED VIEW CONCURRENTLY user_values_days;
\ No newline at end of file
diff --git a/worker/earn.js b/worker/earn.js
index 63034259..019cf9bb 100644
--- a/worker/earn.js
+++ b/worker/earn.js
@@ -1,6 +1,5 @@
 import { notifyEarner } from '@/lib/webPush'
 import createPrisma from '@/lib/create-prisma'
-import { proportions } from '@/lib/madness'
 import { SN_NO_REWARDS_IDS } from '@/lib/constants'
 
 const TOTAL_UPPER_BOUND_MSATS = 1_000_000_000
@@ -40,18 +39,19 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
 
     /*
       How earnings (used to) work:
-      1/3: top 21% posts over last 36 hours, scored on a relative basis
-      1/3: top 21% comments over last 36 hours, scored on a relative basis
+      1/3: top 50% posts over last 36 hours, scored on a relative basis
+      1/3: top 50% comments over last 36 hours, scored on a relative basis
       1/3: top upvoters of top posts/comments, scored on:
         - their trust
         - how much they tipped
         - how early they upvoted it
         - how the post/comment scored
 
-      Now: 80% of earnings go to top 100 stackers by value, and 10% each to their forever and one day referrers
+      Now: 80% of earnings go to top stackers by relative value, and 10% each to their forever and one day referrers
     */
 
     // get earners { userId, id, type, rank, proportion, foreverReferrerId, oneDayReferrerId }
+    // has to earn at least 125000 msats to be eligible (so that they get at least 1 sat after referrals)
     const earners = await models.$queryRaw`
       WITH earners AS (
         SELECT users.id AS "userId", users."referrerId" AS "foreverReferrerId",
@@ -63,8 +63,8 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
           'day') uv
         JOIN users ON users.id = uv.id
         WHERE NOT (users.id = ANY (${SN_NO_REWARDS_IDS}))
+        AND uv.proportion >= 0.0000125
         ORDER BY proportion DESC
-        LIMIT 100
       )
       SELECT earners.*,
         COALESCE(
@@ -86,10 +86,10 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
     let total = 0
 
     const notifications = {}
-    for (const [i, earner] of earners.entries()) {
+    for (const [, earner] of earners.entries()) {
       const foreverReferrerEarnings = Math.floor(parseFloat(earner.proportion * sum * 0.1)) // 10% of earnings
       let oneDayReferrerEarnings = Math.floor(parseFloat(earner.proportion * sum * 0.1)) // 10% of earnings
-      const earnerEarnings = Math.floor(parseFloat(proportions[i] * sum)) - foreverReferrerEarnings - oneDayReferrerEarnings
+      const earnerEarnings = Math.floor(parseFloat(earner.proportion * sum)) - foreverReferrerEarnings - oneDayReferrerEarnings
 
       total += earnerEarnings + foreverReferrerEarnings + oneDayReferrerEarnings
       if (total > sum) {
@@ -108,7 +108,7 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
         'oneDayReferrer', earner.oneDayReferrerId,
         'oneDayReferrerEarnings', oneDayReferrerEarnings)
 
-      if (earnerEarnings > 0) {
+      if (earnerEarnings > 1000) {
         stmts.push(...earnStmts({
           msats: earnerEarnings,
           userId: earner.userId,
@@ -140,7 +140,7 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
         }
       }
 
-      if (earner.foreverReferrerId && foreverReferrerEarnings > 0) {
+      if (earner.foreverReferrerId && foreverReferrerEarnings > 1000) {
         stmts.push(...earnStmts({
           msats: foreverReferrerEarnings,
           userId: earner.foreverReferrerId,
@@ -153,7 +153,7 @@ export async function earn ({ name }) {
         oneDayReferrerEarnings += foreverReferrerEarnings
       }
 
-      if (earner.oneDayReferrerId && oneDayReferrerEarnings > 0) {
+      if (earner.oneDayReferrerId && oneDayReferrerEarnings > 1000) {
         stmts.push(...earnStmts({
           msats: oneDayReferrerEarnings,
           userId: earner.oneDayReferrerId,